La scandalosa campagna canadese cerca di boicottare i vini israeliani, introducendo sul mercato i vini "Made in Palestine"
Outrageous Canadian Campaign Seeks to Boycott Israeli Wines, Bring ‘Made in Palestine’ Wines to Market https://unitedwithisrael.org/lawyer-fights-canadian-agency-for-rejecting-products-from-palestine-steps-up-boycott-of-israeli-wines/#.XW9VUbTFz4Q.twitterv
3 settembre 2019
Relazionato:
b'nai brith canada
BDS
JDL-Canada
pagare per uccidere
Ron East
Taybeh
L'avvocato degli attivisti del BDS minaccia di denunciare un'agenzia canadese per aver trattenuto vini etichettati in "Palestina" mentre cerca altri prodotti israeliani da vietare.
Di Atara Beck
Il movimento anti-israeliano di boicottaggio, disinvestimento e sanzioni (BDS) in Canada sta andando a gonfie vele nel suo obiettivo di rimuovere i vini di fabbricazione israeliana dagli scaffali e, a quanto pare, di stabilire fatti sul terreno promuovendo prodotti dalla "Palestina".
Il mese scorso, in un caso riguardante una denuncia presentata dal Dr. David Kattenburg, attivista pro-palestinese con sede a Winnipeg, la Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) ha decretato che le etichette "prodotto di Israele" sui vini prodotti in Giudea e Samaria (aka la Cisgiordania) sono "falsi, fuorvianti e ingannevoli".
La sentenza nel caso di Kattenburg contro il procuratore generale del Canada - a favore di Kattenburg - è stata decisa dal giudice della corte federale Anne Mactavish, il quale ha affermato che “i consumatori devono ricevere informazioni precise sulla fonte dei prodotti in questione. ”
I vini, prodotti dalle cantine Shiloh e Psagot, sono prodotti da cittadini israeliani in territorio controllato da Israele.
Nel frattempo, solo di recente, la Taybeh Winery, situata nell'area della Giudea e della Samaria amministrata dall'autorità palestinese, di cui Israele ha il controllo di sicurezza prevalente, ha annunciato che i suoi vini 'Nadim' sarebbero stati disponibili in Canada nell'estate del 2019, con l'etichetta "Taybeh Cantina della Palestina. ”In realtà, non esiste un paese simile.
United with Israel (UWI) ha inviato un'e-mail a CFIA, chiedendo perché l'etichettatura del vino "made in Israel" fosse vietata mentre apparentemente sarebbe stata autorizzata la vendita di prodotti della "Taybeh Winery of Palestine".
CFIA ha risposto, affermando semplicemente che "È responsabilità della parte regolamentata garantire il rispetto dei requisiti di etichettatura, incluso che l'etichetta non è falsa o fuorviante" - nonostante la recente sentenza contro i vini "fabbricati in Israele".
"Le domande sulle dichiarazioni dei paesi di origine devono essere indirizzate a Global Affairs Canada", ha aggiunto l'agenzia.
Ron East, un attivista filo-israeliano di Winnipeg ed editore di TheJ.Ca , ha detto a UWI di aver contattato anche la CFIA - in effetti, già alla fine di luglio - e ha incoraggiato anche altri a farlo. La scorsa settimana JDL-Canada ha inviato un avviso e-mail ai suoi follower.
"Ho sollevato preoccupazioni per i prodotti palestinesi disponibili per la vendita in Canada con l'etichetta" Made in Palestine ". Questi includevano olio d'oliva, spezie, saponi e includevano le imminenti vendite di vini e birre ", ha detto.
La UWI ha anche scoperto la scorsa settimana, attraverso un rappresentante del vino Taybeh, che un paio di mesi fa era stata inviata una spedizione in Canada, ma "il governo canadese detiene la merce a causa di una recente legge".
UWI ha chiesto a CFIA perché il vino non è ancora disponibile e se ha qualcosa a che fare con l'etichettatura. "Nessuna spedizione di vino in questione viene trattenuta dal CFIA", ha risposto l'agenzia.
Venerdì, tuttavia, l'attivista del Toronto BDS Karen Rodman ha pubblicato sul sito Web "Palestine Just Trade" che il comitato per i liquori dell'Ontario (LCBO) aveva sospeso la spedizione del vino secondo le indicazioni del CFIA.
Alla ricerca di altri prodotti israeliani da vietare
Rodman ha anche inviato una lettera al CFIA, scritta il 28 agosto da Dimitri Lascaris, con sede a Montreal, consulente legale per la Palestine Just Trade, elencando dozzine di "vini etichettati erroneamente" dai "Golan Heights siriani occupati da Israele o dal territorio palestinese occupato da Israele" in vendita in Ontario. La lettera è stata copiata all'LCBO.
"In allegato è una tabella che identifica quei vini falsamente etichettati", ha scritto Lasacris. "Questo grafico non è necessariamente esaustivo: la nostra ricerca è in corso e, nelle prossime settimane, potremmo identificare altri vini simili offerti in vendita in Canada".
Ha allegato un certificato dell'Autorità palestinese, insieme a una traduzione, a conferma del fatto che Al Taybeh Company for Manufacturing Beer and General Trade ha sede a Ramallah, che è sotto il dominio dell'AP.
Lascaris ha anche minacciato un'azione legale.
"A nostro avviso, il modo in cui CFIA e LCBO si occupano di prodotti Taybeh accuratamente etichettati e di prodotti falsamente etichettati provenienti da insediamenti israeliani nei territori occupati è chiaramente discriminatorio. Se necessario, avvieremo un procedimento legale per proteggere i diritti dei nostri clienti, ma speriamo che il contenzioso possa essere evitato e che il CFIA confermerà immediatamente alla LCBO che i prodotti Taybeh possono essere venduti in Canada come attualmente etichettati ", ha concluso.
BDS e terrore
Palestine Just Trade, secondo il suo sito web, sostiene i "diritti umani palestinesi". Una delle sue campagne fuorvianti, intitolata "No Way to Treat a Child", afferma che ogni anno le forze armate israeliane detengono e perseguono circa 700 bambini palestinesi ". non fa menzione del terrorismo palestinese contro i civili israeliani, spesso compiuto da minori.
In effetti, indicando l'assurda affermazione che l'acquisto di prodotti fabbricati nel Golan o in Giudea e Samaria contribuisce ai "crimini di guerra" israeliani, East osserva anche che "le persone che tentano di portare il vino in Canada sono anche i principali organizzatori del BDS in Canada ... come sappiamo, BDS ha dimostrato di avere le sue radici e tentacoli allineati con le organizzazioni terroristiche . "
Indicando la politica di pagamento per uccisione dell'AP, continua:
"Anche se non pretendo che Taybeh Wines fornisca finanziamenti diretti per sostenere il terrorismo, faccio riferimento al semplice fatto che per avere una licenza per operare, devono pagare tasse e tasse che vengono raccolte sia dal comune che dai palestinesi Autorità. Tali tasse e imposte riscosse dall'AP vengono quindi utilizzate per sostenere il regime terroristico, pagare gli stipendi dei terroristi, ecc.
"Quindi, mentre la Cantina potrebbe non supportare direttamente nessuna organizzazione terroristica, in virtù del pagamento di tasse e commissioni all'Autorità Palestinese e dell'ulteriore allineamento con una società fondata dalla leadership del BDS in Canada, sta sostenendo tacitamente il terrorismo", afferma East.
B'nai Brith chiede "equità ed equità"
B'nai Brith Canada aveva ottenuto lo status di interveniente nel caso di Kattenburg contro il procuratore generale del Canada. Il CEO Michael Mostyn, commentando la decisione presa a luglio a favore di Kattenburg, ha dichiarato a UWI che "a nostro avviso, è ragionevole e per nulla fuorviante etichettare i vini prodotti da cittadini israeliani nel territorio controllato da Israele come prodotti di Israele. Chiederemo al procuratore generale di presentare ricorso contro questa decisione, dal momento che non possiamo farlo come intervenienti. Se la decisione viene impugnata, non vediamo l'ora di continuare a presentare argomenti in qualità di intervenienti. "
La scorsa settimana, Mostyn ha dichiarato a UWI che "uno dei motivi per cui B'nai Brith è diventato un interveniente nel caso del vino israeliano originale davanti alla corte federale del Canada è stato quello di discutere di equità ed equità nelle pratiche di etichettatura del vino e di sottolineare la correttezza di consentire l'etichettatura del "prodotto di Israele" per le cantine di qualsiasi regione sotto il controllo israeliano.
“B'nai Brith ha sostenuto in tribunale che qualsiasi altra comprensione sarebbe problematica dal punto di vista della coerenza quando si etichettano prodotti provenienti da qualsiasi altra regione del mondo che è stata contestata. E qui abbiamo un esempio di questo fenomeno: c'è un'incoerenza, ed è per questo che B'nai Brith non è d'accordo con questa decisione legale [non consentire l'etichettatura del "prodotto di Israele"]. Riteniamo che la decisione debba essere impugnata ".
unitedwithisrael.org
Outrageous Canadian Campaign Seeks to Boycott Israeli Wines, Bring ‘Made in Palestine’ Wines to Market
7-9 minuti
Lawyer for BDS activists threatens to sue a Canadian agency for holding up wines labeled made in ‘Palestine’ while searching for more Israeli products to ban.
By Atara Beck
The anti-Israel Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement in Canada is going full steam in its goal to remove Israeli-made wines from the shelves and, it appears, to establish facts on the ground by promoting products from “Palestine.”
Last month, in a case involving a complaint filed by Dr. David Kattenburg, a Winnipeg-based pro-Palestinian activist, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) ruled that ‘product of Israel’ labels on wines made in Judea and Samaria (aka the West Bank) are “false, misleading and deceptive.”
The ruling in the case of Kattenburg vs. Attorney General of Canada – in favor of Kattenburg – was decided by Federal Court Justice Anne Mactavish, who said that “consumers have to be provided with accurate information as to the source of the products in question.”
The wines, produced by the Shiloh and Psagot wineries, are made by Israeli citizens in Israeli-controlled territory.
Meanwhile, only recently, Taybeh Winery, located in the Palestinian Authority-administered area of Judea and Samaria, of which Israel has overriding security control, advertised that its ‘Nadim’ wines would be available in Canada in the summer of 2019, labeled “Taybeh Winery of Palestine.” In fact, there is no such country.
United with Israel (UWI) emailed CFIA, asking why the labeling of wine “made in Israel” was prohibited while the sale of products from “Taybeh Winery of Palestine” would apparently be allowed.
CFIA responded, saying merely that “It is the responsibility of the regulated party to ensure that labeling requirements are met, including that the label is not false or misleading” – despite the recent ruling against the wines “made in Israel.”
“Questions about countries of origin declarations should be directed to Global Affairs Canada,” the agency added.
Ron East, a pro-Israel activist in Winnipeg and publisher of TheJ.Ca, told UWI that he had also contacted CFIA – in fact, already at the end of July – and encouraged others to do so as well. JDL-Canada sent out an email alert to its followers last week.
“I raised concerns about Palestinian products available for sale in Canada labeled ‘Made in Palestine’. These included olive oil, spices, soaps and included the upcoming sales of wines and beers,” he said.
UWI also discovered last week, through a Taybeh wine representative, that a shipment had been sent to Canada a couple of months ago but “the Canadian government is holding the goods because of a recent law.”
UWI asked CFIA why the wine is not yet available and whether it has anything to do with the labeling. “No shipments of wine in question are being held by CFIA,” the agency responded.
On Friday, however, Toronto BDS activist Karen Rodman posted on the “Palestine Just Trade” website that the Ontario liquor board (LCBO) had put the wine shipment on hold as directed by CFIA.
Searching for More Israeli Products to Ban
Rodman also posted a letter to CFIA, written on August 28 by Montreal-based Dimitri Lascaris, legal counsel for Palestine Just Trade, listing dozens of “falsely labeled wines” from the “Israeli-occupied Syrian Golan Heights or Israeli-occupied Palestinian territory” for sale in Ontario. The letter was copied to the LCBO.
“Attached hereto is a chart identifying those falsely labeled wines,” Lasacris wrote. “That chart is not necessarily exhaustive – our research is ongoing and, in the weeks ahead, we might well identify other such wines being offered for sale in Canada.”
He enclosed a certificate from the Palestinian Authority, along with a translation, confirming that Al Taybeh Company for Manufacturing Beer and General Trade is based in Ramallah, which is under PA rule.
Lascaris also threatened legal action.
“In our view, the manner in which the CFIA and LCBO are dealing with accurately labeled Taybeh products and falsely labeled products from Israeli settlements in occupied territory is plainly discriminatory. If necessary, we will institute legal proceedings to protect our client’s rights, but we are hopeful that litigation can be avoided and that the CFIA will immediately confirm to the LCBO that the Taybeh products can be sold in Canada as currently labeled,” he concluded.
BDS and Terror
Palestine Just Trade, according to its website, advocates for “Palestinian human rights.” One of its misleading campaigns, titled “No Way to Treat a Child,” claims that each year the Israeli military detains and prosecutes around 700 Palestinian children.” There is no mention of Palestinian terrorism against Israeli civilians, often carried out by minors.
In fact, pointing to the absurd claim that buying products made in the Golan or in Judea and Samaria contributes to Israeli “war crimes,” East also notes that “the people attempting to bringing the wine into Canada are also the main BDS organizers in Canada … as we know BDS has been shown to have its roots and tentacles aligned with terror organizations.”
Pointing to the PA’s pay-for-slay policy, he continues:
“While I make no claim that Taybeh Wines provides direct funding to support terrorism, I make reference to the simple fact that in order to have a licence to operate, they have to pay fees and taxes which are collected by both the municipality and the Palestinian Authority. These fees and taxes collected by the PA are then used to help prop the terror regime, pay salaries of terrorists, etc.
“So while the Winery may not directly support any terror organization, by virtue of paying taxes and fees to the PA and further aligning with a company founded by BDS leadership within Canada they are tacitly supporting terrorism,” East says.
B’nai Brith Calls for ‘Fairness and Equity’
B’nai Brith Canada had been given intervener status in the case of of Kattenburg vs. Attorney General of Canada. CEO Michael Mostyn, commenting on the decision made in July in favor of Kattenburg, told UWI at the time that “in our view, it is reasonable and not at all misleading to label wines produced by Israeli citizens in Israeli-controlled territory as Products of Israel. We will be asking the Attorney-General to appeal this decision, since we cannot do so as interveners. If the decision is appealed, we look forward to continuing to make arguments as interveners.”
Last week, Mostyn told UWI that “one of the reasons that B’nai Brith became an intervener in the original Israeli wine case before the federal court of Canada was to argue for fairness and equity in wine-labeling practices and to point out the correctness of allowing the labeling of ‘product of Israel’ for wineries in any region under Israeli control.
“B’nai Brith argued in court that any other understanding would be problematic from a consistency standpoint when labeling products originating from any other region in the world that was disputed. And here we have an example of this very phenomenon – there’s inconsistency, and that is why B’nai Brith disagrees with this legal decision [not to allow ‘product of Israel’ labeling]. We believe that decision should be appealed.”

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SAWolf • 15 hours ago
Used to really enjoy traveling in Canada, but they are metamorphosing into complete aceholes. From the frog element offspring self identifying with the muslims, you idiots should research, STOCKHOLM SYNDROME, to M 103 and C 16, I've had enough. No more Algonquin Park for me.

ZionMyHome SAWolf • 10 hours ago
Canada once enjoyed the blessing of Stephen Harper's support of the Jewish people and the State of Israel. Since then this has become a foul sharia hellhole under Turdeau, I can't wait to make Aliyah and get out of this nasty not-a-country.

AJL ZionMyHome • 7 hours ago
ZionMyHome, that's what happens when a liberal government takes over.

ZionMyHome AJL • 6 hours ago
The libs here in Canada are even more vile than the Dems in the US. .....and the leader of the so-called conservative party here is shaming supporters of traditional conservative values.

SAWolf ZionMyHome • 10 hours ago
I first traveled to Montreal when I was 9 and you Guys still minted silver dollars, We didn't. So I brought my summer lawn mowing money and the Bank Personnel were kind enough to spend the Time communicating, they spoke French, me English, with a 9 year old, and We worked out my desire to obtain those 1966 silver dollars. I still have them 53 years later. Then up to Old Quebec City and camping in Algonquin. Fell in love with the Nation.
But honestly, if America experiences anything like I've recently witnessed in Canada, I'll be self activating and,"Remove", those illegally attempting to abrogate The Constitution I swore to,"Support and defend", in such an egregious way. And I'll not stand alone either. The left will experience MACRO aggression via my .308.

Lorne SAWolf • 35 minutes ago
Given that you have just made death threats, it is too bad that this site does not appear to be edited.
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agnes losonczi • 8 hours ago
All the pallys working for israeli wineries for normal salaries instead of the meager one they get from their own ilk will surely thank this lawyer guy.

skier69 • 6 hours ago
There is no Palestine so there can’t be Palestinian wine.

mikeatkron skier69 • 2 hours ago
There are only Fakestinian whiners!

TigLy • 7 hours ago
The whole premise of "BDS" is false; it does not have anything to do with Israel controlling just The West Bank (Judea and Samaria) or Golan because of wars that came from those places against Israel. It is based on Israel's very existence as what Israel has always been, a Jewish state. I think the answer is to continue to buy wines from all of Jewish Palestine or Syria aka the state of Israel which is The Jewish Homeland.

442rocketdave • 7 hours ago
Canada is resembling France and the UK with their ant Semitism and hatred for the Jewish people its a dirty rotten shame but then the Canadians have a black history themselves of discrimination and racism.

18_18 • 7 hours ago
Why would anyone want to drink Arab wine, when they fertilize their trees, with their own excrement.

Nichus Block 18_18 • 6 hours ago
arabs don't even drink, what would they know about making wine?

fof9l Nichus Block • 2 hours ago
Ah, but don't forget, Pallys like to claim that they're not Arabs.

stargood fof9l • 23 minutes ago
Of course they're not Arabs. "Palestinians" are descendants of the Canaanites. Mahmoud Abbas said so!
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Charles Cave • 6 hours ago
The key to this ridiculous article is in the second paragraph. There is no such country of "Palestine". Show me or anyone else a world map that shows a country of "???????" except maybe one produced in the West Bank of Israel made by so called Palestinians.

Baruch • 7 hours ago • edited
Palestinian wine? Like Israeli pork, must be a tiny niche market hardly worth sweating over, if there even is such a thing. N'est-ce pas?

QaakAufim • 8 hours ago • edited
We need to counter-boycott all Pal goods, in Canada, the US, and wherever else their s**t gets sold.

agnes losonczi QaakAufim • 8 hours ago
:))))))))))))!!!!!!!! WHAT pally goods?! Do they have any?!

cbusa QaakAufim • 7 hours ago
I would never buy any of their stuff anyway. Liable to spontaneously explode!

fof9l QaakAufim • 2 hours ago
How is that possible? There are no Pal goods, because there is no Palestine.

Dean Blake • 3 hours ago
BDS maple syrup!!!! How big a market is imported wine in Canada? Principles yes. But is that where our efforts against Canadian antisemitism should be placed? Do goyem even seek kosher wines? Let Canada drink Okanagan rotgut. If we win, what is accomplished? Don't expect consistency in the application of the law re Jews. We should, but hey, its Canada. They will understand BDS maple syrup.

mikeatkron Dean Blake • an hour ago
Why not also BDS Canadian wines, other Canadian products and Canadian whiners? The Israeli Ministry of Strategic Affairs keeps a database of BDS supporters and other momzers inadmissible for entry into Israel. Add Trudeau, Kattenburg, Rodman, Mactavish and other Canadian douchebags to that database!

AJL • 7 hours ago
Let the Canadians drink Palestinian wine. It's probably polluted with urine and other unhealthy additives. Not to mention the filthy conditions in which the wine is produced.

Steve Freund • 8 hours ago
Whenever another BS BDS threat occurs, simply refuse to sell to that district/area, whatever, and also stop selling medical goods to places that promote BDS. Israel gives the world so much and all they get in return is hatred. Let's see how they like it when Israel cuts off all the medical innovations.

Jeffrey Wilens Steve Freund • 7 hours ago
Israel should simply compel all exports from Judea and Samaria, whether from a Jewish or Arab business, to be labeled made in Israel. Any boycott will have to effect every business, not pick on the Jewish ones.

Kiev Ukraine Jeffrey Wilens • 3 hours ago
No need to reinvent the wheel. Why not continue what Israeli settlers have been doing all along? Price-tag attacks!
Therefore: Cut down and burn an Arab olive tree for every Jewish bottle of wine Europe refuses to buy that was made in occupied West Bank. And when you run out of olive orchards to burn, start burning the Palestinians out of their homes! After all, price-tag attacks have been largely successful and completely unprosecuted by Israel so far...
Or you can continue to claim everything produced by Jews in OT is "made in Israel", but don't complain when every product exported by Israel comes under BDS sanctions.
Shalom.

Jeffrey Wilens Kiev Ukraine • 2 hours ago
I prefer the official government actions. Vigilantism becomes necessary only in the absence of effective government, such as in the American Wild West.

stargood Kiev Ukraine • 4 minutes ago • edited
First of all, the area is properly called Judea & Samaria, or Yehuda & Shomron. Not "occupied West Bank." If you want to support Israelis living in our ancestral homeland, then the terminology you use is important. Secondly, committing crimes is not the way to fight BDS. We have the truth on our side, and the "palestinians" do not.
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UniusREI Yitzhak Kaduri Messia • 7 minutes ago
and why, do you want to humiliate: the democratic party: Macron Trudeau Zapatero Merkel just because they believe themselves to be Darwin monkeys?
He calls a man a man who believes he is a woman: arrested
September 4, 2019
In the age of universal lying, telling the truth is a revolutionary act:
And yet it moves.
It happened in Britain, where on September 18 Kate Scottow will have to appear in court after being detained for seven hours for "outrageous comments".

Iainehskhem Mawlong • an hour ago
See my friends don't be surprised the proud are calling for their own destruction
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Jeffrey Wilens Richard DiBenedetto • 7 hours ago
Except there is no country known as Palestine. The West Bank is not properly called "Palestine." What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Label wines are coming from a particular winery and the name of the city.
Israel will not become an apartheid state. The USA annexed Puerto Rico but did not grant citizenship for 20 years and still has not granted the right to vote in US elections. No congressman or senator. Is the USA an apartheid state? I think not.

Jeffrey Wilens Richard DiBenedetto • 7 hours ago
You are mistaken. Canada does not recognize a "State of Palestine" in any discrete borders.
This is what Canada's government website states:
"Canada's relationship with the Palestinian Authority (PA), the governmental entity in the West Bank and Gaza, is positive and moving forward. Canada recognizes the Palestinian right to self-determination and supports the creation of a sovereign, independent, viable, democratic and territorially contiguous Palestinian state, as part of a comprehensive, just and lasting peace settlement."
In other words, it supports the CREATION of a Palestinian state. It does not claim one exists today. Therefore, it is inconsistent to claim something was made in the "State of Palestine" since the borders of such a potential state have not been determined.
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Kiev Ukraine Jeffrey Wilens • 4 hours ago
"Therefore, it is inconsistent to claim something was made in the "State of Palestine" since the borders of such a potential state have not been determined."
Not any more inconsistent than you and Israel claiming that something made or produced in a Jewish-populated section of occupied West Bank (including East Jerusalem) is quote ~"made in Israel". Are you not ashamed of your clear double standard?
Apparently not...
Shalom.
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Jeffrey Wilens Kiev Ukraine • 2 hours ago
If you look at my other post, you will see I said to be consistent the products can be labeled as product of Winery XX in City ZZ. Alternatively, I said it should all be said made in Israel whether made by a Jew or an Arab.

fof9l Kiev Ukraine • 2 hours ago
The inconsistency comes direct from you. The so-called West Bank is not "occupied", because it belongs to Israel and no-one else. What's your position on Russian occupation of Ukraine?
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lucifer69 Richard DiBenedetto • 7 hours ago
Yes, you big shot!
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lucifer69 Richard DiBenedetto • 7 hours ago
It will be as easy as annexing Jerusalem and Golan heights. Eat your heart.
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TigLy Richard DiBenedetto • 7 hours ago
Who's to say Israel will annex The West Bank without full Arab voting rights? The future of the region has always been unpredictable, thanks to Israel's neighbors rejecting its existence with or without The West Bank.

Jeffrey Wilens Richard DiBenedetto • 7 hours ago
Those who don't want Israeli citizenship will be granted Jordanian citizenship at the end of the day. As for the right to vote, most Arab countries do not really have a right to vote....at least not one that means anything. Go complain to the Arabs about that.

Kiev Ukraine Jeffrey Wilens • 4 hours ago
"most Arab countries do not really have a right to vote."
The overthrown president of Egypt -Mohamed Morst- was elected in a legitimate, independently monitored, free and fair democratic election. This scared the Hades out of Israel and it acted along with it's western puppets to overthrow Morsi and install an Israel-friendly dictator (al-Sisi) who only masquerades as a democratic leader. No real democratic leader would have sentenced hundreds of members of the Muslim Brotherhood political party to death for purposes of political expedience, but al-Sisi did. -And that's just what Israel wanted.
Shalom.
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Jeffrey Wilens Kiev Ukraine • 2 hours ago
Oh please, how many democratic elections has Egypt had since 1948. I say zero including that one. Many other Arabs states execute Muslim Brotherhood troublemakers. I don't know why you love them, I doubt you would want to live in a state ruled by the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Jeffrey Wilens Richard DiBenedetto • 7 hours ago
Everything comes with lasting consequences. Many countries have annexed land and 50 years later, where are the lasting consequences? At least negative ones. There have been and will be "lasting consequences" to the Arabs' decision to resist the recreation of a Jewish state in Palestine.

Kiev Ukraine Jeffrey Wilens • 4 hours ago • edited
There won't be any consequences for Russia. I can't say the same for smaller but more arrogant countries.
"There have been and will be "lasting consequences" to the Arabs' decision to resist the recreation of a Jewish state in Palestine."
Did you ever pause to wonder if the Arab resistance was not to the creation of the state itself (on declaration borders), but to the well known intent of Jewish leaders to EXPAND their Jewish state aggressively into the adjacent Arab states. -Which is exactly what they did and continue to do. -Which proves the Arab suspicions correct.
Shalom.
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Jeffrey Wilens Kiev Ukraine • 2 hours ago
No I did not pause and wonder because I have studied history and the Arabs were 100% opposed to recognition of any Jewish state anywhere in Palestine. They simply don't accept Jews as a people entitled to nationalism. By the way, those "Arabs States" such as Jordan, Syria and Lebanon were created at the same time as Israel so I doubt expansion was their concern at the time. You are projecting your own views into the Arabs.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." Mark Twain. Israel and Jews of Israel at least have a lot of fight in them.

lucifer69 Richard DiBenedetto • 7 hours ago
That is the joke of the year.
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lucifer69 Richard DiBenedetto • 7 hours ago
Bull $hit Richard. It will never happen.